Comments on: Flexitarianism and Feminism http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/ Conservatism for punks. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:29:28 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Social Libertarianism, & The Heart Of Freedom « Thoughts on Freedom http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-60937 Social Libertarianism, & The Heart Of Freedom « Thoughts on Freedom Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:06:29 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/#comment-60937 [...] This is the continuation of an earlier debate between Todd Seavey & Keri Howley, which you may read here, here, here and here. Essentially Ms. Howley argued that libertarianism ought be concerned with maximizing freedom and autonomy, and as it is not only the state which impinges on these, but also various social forces, then libertarians ought to be concerned about them. Mr. Seavey, on the other hand, takes the more traditional line, that libertarians ought be concerned with the power of the state alone. Cato’s Will Wilkinson also entered into the debate, stating “If libertarianism is the view that coercion is never social or emotional, and that coercive limits to liberty are justified only in defense of private property, or in the enforcement of contracts, then libertarianism is false, and I am not a libertarian. If libertarianism is the view that human well-being is best promoted by ensuring “that every man may claim the fullest liberty to exercise his faculties compatible with the possession of like liberty to every other man,” then I am a libertarian. If this is a libertarian view, then the goal to minimize or abolish wrongfully liberty-limiting social norms is a libertarian goal.” (There are many other instances in the blogosphere of comments on this debate, particularly regarding the feminist points made, but you can find those for yourself!) I would strongly encourage people to peruse these posts however. [...] [...] This is the continuation of an earlier debate between Todd Seavey & Keri Howley, which you may read here, here, here and here. Essentially Ms. Howley argued that libertarianism ought be concerned with maximizing freedom and autonomy, and as it is not only the state which impinges on these, but also various social forces, then libertarians ought to be concerned about them. Mr. Seavey, on the other hand, takes the more traditional line, that libertarians ought be concerned with the power of the state alone. Cato’s Will Wilkinson also entered into the debate, stating “If libertarianism is the view that coercion is never social or emotional, and that coercive limits to liberty are justified only in defense of private property, or in the enforcement of contracts, then libertarianism is false, and I am not a libertarian. If libertarianism is the view that human well-being is best promoted by ensuring “that every man may claim the fullest liberty to exercise his faculties compatible with the possession of like liberty to every other man,” then I am a libertarian. If this is a libertarian view, then the goal to minimize or abolish wrongfully liberty-limiting social norms is a libertarian goal.” (There are many other instances in the blogosphere of comments on this debate, particularly regarding the feminist points made, but you can find those for yourself!) I would strongly encourage people to peruse these posts however. [...]

]]> By: Ladyblog » Blog Archive » The Libertarian Feminist Debate http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-23766 Ladyblog » Blog Archive » The Libertarian Feminist Debate Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/#comment-23766 [...] Anyway, for the past week or so, Howley and self-proclaimed punk-conservative Todd Seavey have been engaged in a back-and-forth on the issue of feminism and libertarianism, which Seavey would like to assure us young whippersnappers is an oxymoronal concept: The Kerry view is news to me, and I’ve been a libertarian for about twenty years now. [...] [...] Anyway, for the past week or so, Howley and self-proclaimed punk-conservative Todd Seavey have been engaged in a back-and-forth on the issue of feminism and libertarianism, which Seavey would like to assure us young whippersnappers is an oxymoronal concept: The Kerry view is news to me, and I’ve been a libertarian for about twenty years now. [...]

]]> By: ToddSeavey.com » Blog Archive » Feuding Political Couples http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-23608 ToddSeavey.com » Blog Archive » Feuding Political Couples Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:02:13 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/#comment-23608 [...] •…as noted by Will’s girlfriend Kerry Howley, who, as it happens, I’d been criticizing on this blog for completely unrelated reasons — namely for not seeing why feminism (in most forms) is fundamentally at odds with the diverse and inevitably inegalitarian (though not necessarily predictable) outcomes tolerated by libertarianism, which normally describes people as free so long as their property rights and bodily integrity are not violated. Kerry objected. I responded. Kerry objected again. [...] [...] •…as noted by Will’s girlfriend Kerry Howley, who, as it happens, I’d been criticizing on this blog for completely unrelated reasons — namely for not seeing why feminism (in most forms) is fundamentally at odds with the diverse and inevitably inegalitarian (though not necessarily predictable) outcomes tolerated by libertarianism, which normally describes people as free so long as their property rights and bodily integrity are not violated. Kerry objected. I responded. Kerry objected again. [...]

]]> By: Todd Seavey http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-23516 Todd Seavey Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:47:00 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/#comment-23516 He is a very _unusual_ monarchist, but you are correct. (And indeed, constitutional monarchy had a period of respectability within the liberal tradition -- so I'm not completely dismissing these real overlaps.) He is a very _unusual_ monarchist, but you are correct. (And indeed, constitutional monarchy had a period of respectability within the liberal tradition — so I’m not completely dismissing these real overlaps.)

]]> By: TGGP http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-23515 TGGP Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:39:32 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/#comment-23515 Hans Herman-Hoppe is an anarchist, but his second-best preference is monarchy. Hans Herman-Hoppe is an anarchist, but his second-best preference is monarchy.

]]> By: What’s A Libertarian? Can A Feminist Be One? « Matt Zeitlin: Impetuous Young Whippersnapper http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-23490 What’s A Libertarian? Can A Feminist Be One? « Matt Zeitlin: Impetuous Young Whippersnapper Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:00:58 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/#comment-23490 [...] Posted by Matt Zeitlin on November 10, 2008 I’m not going to write a detailed summary of the interlibertarian squabble between Todd Seavey and Kerry Howley re: whether libertarians can be feminists and vice versa, but if you want catch up, click here, here, here and here.  [...] [...] Posted by Matt Zeitlin on November 10, 2008 I’m not going to write a detailed summary of the interlibertarian squabble between Todd Seavey and Kerry Howley re: whether libertarians can be feminists and vice versa, but if you want catch up, click here, here, here and here.  [...]

]]> By: Kerry Howley » Blog Archive » Libertarian Feminism versus Monarchist Anarchism http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-23310 Kerry Howley » Blog Archive » Libertarian Feminism versus Monarchist Anarchism Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:16:12 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/#comment-23310 [...] Todd Seavey refers to some of my thoughts on feminism and libertarianism and notes that “we can make any philosophy sound kind of, sort of like any other.” Well, that’s true. But it was never my intention to “subsume feminism under libertarianism” and pretend that we should all band together under some anodyne platitude about universal tolerance. I am not that agreeable. It was my intention to point out that most libertarian cocktail party critiques of feminism are utterly insipid and incoherent. [...] [...] Todd Seavey refers to some of my thoughts on feminism and libertarianism and notes that “we can make any philosophy sound kind of, sort of like any other.” Well, that’s true. But it was never my intention to “subsume feminism under libertarianism” and pretend that we should all band together under some anodyne platitude about universal tolerance. I am not that agreeable. It was my intention to point out that most libertarian cocktail party critiques of feminism are utterly insipid and incoherent. [...]

]]> By: Jacob T. Levy http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-23073 Jacob T. Levy Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:33:30 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/11/03/flexitarianism-and-feminism/#comment-23073 "Old intellectual-family ties are not enough. They are in fact a distraction from making clear, useful analytical distinctions about the contemporary world." How un-Burkean and un-Hayekian and rationalist constructivist of you. There can be wisdom in looking backwards not to be found in the concepts of the sophisters and calculators! “Old intellectual-family ties are not enough. They are in fact a distraction from making clear, useful analytical distinctions about the contemporary world.”

How un-Burkean and un-Hayekian and rationalist constructivist of you. There can be wisdom in looking backwards not to be found in the concepts of the sophisters and calculators!

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