Comments on: Terminator, Buffy, and the Elektra Complex http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/ Conservatism for punks. Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:15:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.9 by: Todd Seavey http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18862 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:08:19 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18862 While I think of it: having mentioned _The Abyss_, I want to note that that film was painfully like James Cameron's other movies rolled into one, worse, film: --aliens (but not cool ones like in _Aliens_) --people trapped underwater (like in _Titanic_ but without the epic scope) --a CGI shapeshifting thing (like in T2, except lame) On the bright side, it was better than _Cabin Boy_, which _Abyss_ actor and Letterman veteran Chris Elliot appeared in five years later. While I think of it: having mentioned _The Abyss_, I want to note that that film was painfully like James Cameron’s other movies rolled into one, worse, film:

–aliens (but not cool ones like in _Aliens_)

–people trapped underwater (like in _Titanic_ but without the epic scope)

–a CGI shapeshifting thing (like in T2, except lame)

On the bright side, it was better than _Cabin Boy_, which _Abyss_ actor and Letterman veteran Chris Elliot appeared in five years later.

]]> by: Christopher http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18805 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:25:13 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18805 For the record, both Buffy and River Tam shed tears on many occasions. For the record, both Buffy and River Tam shed tears on many occasions.

]]> by: Joe Calhoun http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18802 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:51:50 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18802 It seems to me that the second wave feminists are the ones that kick ass in the real world - just ask Larry Summers. And as that example shows it's not always through government action. The third wave group embodied by Buffy, et al is just fantasy stuff that is indeed, as Todd points out, damn hot and intended for men rather than any young feminists. Having just sent an 18 year old libertarian daughter off to college (her film professor branded her as a libertarian in her first class at San Francisco Art Institute; I'm so proud), I think I may have some insight into this third wave feminism. While she is a little unusual in that she actually absorbed the libertarianism of her parents, she and her friends don't seem much interested in government intervention. They have grown up in a world where they've been told repeatedly that they can do anything they want and they have embraced that. If my daughter and her friends are any indication, the future of feminism will be more like first wave than second wave. In fact, I would say they will be much more libertarian than the first wave and not much interested in kicking collective male ass except when it gets in the way of their career goals. On a personal note, my 105 pound wife is freakishly strong and could kick all your asses in arm wrestling. Furthermore, my desire to piss in my wetsuit is inversely correlated with the temperature of the water in which I'm immersed and has nothing to do with being macho or not. It seems to me that the second wave feminists are the ones that kick ass in the real world - just ask Larry Summers. And as that example shows it’s not always through government action. The third wave group embodied by Buffy, et al is just fantasy stuff that is indeed, as Todd points out, damn hot and intended for men rather than any young feminists.

Having just sent an 18 year old libertarian daughter off to college (her film professor branded her as a libertarian in her first class at San Francisco Art Institute; I’m so proud), I think I may have some insight into this third wave feminism. While she is a little unusual in that she actually absorbed the libertarianism of her parents, she and her friends don’t seem much interested in government intervention. They have grown up in a world where they’ve been told repeatedly that they can do anything they want and they have embraced that. If my daughter and her friends are any indication, the future of feminism will be more like first wave than second wave. In fact, I would say they will be much more libertarian than the first wave and not much interested in kicking collective male ass except when it gets in the way of their career goals.

On a personal note, my 105 pound wife is freakishly strong and could kick all your asses in arm wrestling. Furthermore, my desire to piss in my wetsuit is inversely correlated with the temperature of the water in which I’m immersed and has nothing to do with being macho or not.

]]> by: jenny http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18801 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:58:53 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18801 a friend of mine (male) regularly attends <a href="http://clawville.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">CLAW</a> (charlottesville lady arm wrestlers) meetups at the blue moon diner. you could check them out next time you're in this neck of the woods. and fwiw, what kickboxing prowess i may have likely doesn't translate into arm wrestling skill. a friend of mine (male) regularly attends CLAW (charlottesville lady arm wrestlers) meetups at the blue moon diner. you could check them out next time you’re in this neck of the woods.

and fwiw, what kickboxing prowess i may have likely doesn’t translate into arm wrestling skill.

]]> by: Clay Waters http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18799 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:42:46 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18799 I've never won an arm-wrestling match at my favorite bar, partly because it's a dive bar where the barmaids haul up their own restock (feel the burn) and partly because I'm a pale, milksop shadow of a man. Mostly the latter. I’ve never won an arm-wrestling match at my favorite bar, partly because it’s a dive bar where the barmaids haul up their own restock (feel the burn) and partly because I’m a pale, milksop shadow of a man. Mostly the latter.

]]> by: Todd Seavey http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18796 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:50:14 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18796 On a vaguely related note (for those "in the know"): Valerie D'Orazio reports that she could use a new job, if anyone reading cares to assist. P.S. I might be interested in becoming the vocalist in a "riot grrl" band, if the band will spring for vocal lessons and owns its own van. On a vaguely related note (for those “in the know”): Valerie D’Orazio reports that she could use a new job, if anyone reading cares to assist.

P.S. I might be interested in becoming the vocalist in a “riot grrl” band, if the band will spring for vocal lessons and owns its own van.

]]> by: Todd Seavey http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18789 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:06:39 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18789 Sigourney will fight a different alien species in another James Cameron-directed film -- this time in 3D -- in December 2009's _Avatar_, which he's been planning for about fifteen years, by the way. I expect it will rule, and that I will fully believe a woman can kick ass (she's also around six feet, as I learned the one time I spoke to her, at a Central Park Conservancy event, just before Alien 4 -- but she's not the one who beat me in arm wrestling, either [nor is Jenny, I should add, though I wouldn't be shocked if she did, and Jenny does in fact kickbox]). Mary Mastroianni reportedly cried on the set of _Abyss_, by the way, because Cameron is so mean and authoritarian he told the extras to urinate in their wetsuits to save time. Note that I do not blame her, but I suspect that Arnold did not cry on the set of _Terminator 2_. Sigourney will fight a different alien species in another James Cameron-directed film — this time in 3D — in December 2009’s _Avatar_, which he’s been planning for about fifteen years, by the way. I expect it will rule, and that I will fully believe a woman can kick ass (she’s also around six feet, as I learned the one time I spoke to her, at a Central Park Conservancy event, just before Alien 4 — but she’s not the one who beat me in arm wrestling, either [nor is Jenny, I should add, though I wouldn’t be shocked if she did, and Jenny does in fact kickbox]).

Mary Mastroianni reportedly cried on the set of _Abyss_, by the way, because Cameron is so mean and authoritarian he told the extras to urinate in their wetsuits to save time. Note that I do not blame her, but I suspect that Arnold did not cry on the set of _Terminator 2_.

]]> by: jenny http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18788 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:54:58 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/08/terminator-buffy-and-the-elektra-complex/#comment-18788 over at cracked, there's an interesting look at "<a href="http://www.cracked.com/article_16587_hollywoods-5-saddest-attempts-at-feminism.html" rel="nofollow">hollywood's 5 saddest attempts at feminism</a>" which includes summer glau's role in serenity/firefly. it didn't include, i was happy to see, sigourney weaver's ripley in alien. (i'll leave any commentary about her role in the subsequent three sequels aside.) over at cracked, there’s an interesting look at “hollywood’s 5 saddest attempts at feminism” which includes summer glau’s role in serenity/firefly. it didn’t include, i was happy to see, sigourney weaver’s ripley in alien. (i’ll leave any commentary about her role in the subsequent three sequels aside.)

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