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		<title>By: Yancey Ward</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/05/the-unpersuaded/comment-page-1/#comment-18697</link>
		<dc:creator>Yancey Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally detest John McCain and many of his positions, and I detest what the Republican Party became after the 2000 election, but I see absolutely no upside to handing the Democrats control of the legislative and executive branches.  

A libertarian should be for divided government if he can&#039;t vote for an actual libertarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally detest John McCain and many of his positions, and I detest what the Republican Party became after the 2000 election, but I see absolutely no upside to handing the Democrats control of the legislative and executive branches.  </p>
<p>A libertarian should be for divided government if he can&#8217;t vote for an actual libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Seavey</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/05/the-unpersuaded/comment-page-1/#comment-18663</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One related (albeit more obscure) sidenote: One man who sounds a bit like Chris these days is...Tucker Carlson, seen here interviewed by Reason during his emceeing of the Ron Paul alternate-convention this week (as pointed out to me by someone who knew Tucker during his days working in Little Rock, Rep. Dan Greenberg): 

http://hayhurstforamerica.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/interview-with-tucker-carlson/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One related (albeit more obscure) sidenote: One man who sounds a bit like Chris these days is&#8230;Tucker Carlson, seen here interviewed by Reason during his emceeing of the Ron Paul alternate-convention this week (as pointed out to me by someone who knew Tucker during his days working in Little Rock, Rep. Dan Greenberg): </p>
<p><a href="http://hayhurstforamerica.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/interview-with-tucker-carlson/" rel="nofollow">http://hayhurstforamerica.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/interview-with-tucker-carlson/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jacob T. Levy</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/05/the-unpersuaded/comment-page-1/#comment-18648</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob T. Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biden favors partition, not federalism, for Iraq.  

I wrote a bunch about federalism before and during the war because it was an area in which I had a comparative intellectual advantage, and I continue to think that federalism is the sine qua non for any tolerably peaceful, tolerably just outcome in Iraq-- neither partition nor a unitary state has *any* chance of success-- but &#039;necessary&#039; is nothing close to &#039;sufficient.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biden favors partition, not federalism, for Iraq.  </p>
<p>I wrote a bunch about federalism before and during the war because it was an area in which I had a comparative intellectual advantage, and I continue to think that federalism is the sine qua non for any tolerably peaceful, tolerably just outcome in Iraq&#8211; neither partition nor a unitary state has *any* chance of success&#8211; but &#8216;necessary&#8217; is nothing close to &#8217;sufficient.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Koli</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/05/the-unpersuaded/comment-page-1/#comment-18644</link>
		<dc:creator>Koli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add just one ancillary note to Chris&#039;s ably (and colorfully) made points. 

Palin&#039;s remark that she didn’t need focus groups because she knew those voters, and &quot;their families, tooâ€  (gotta get &quot;family&quot; in there whenever possible!) is worse than irrelevant. It undercuts the argument for her candidacy. As the nation&#039;s no. 2 exec she won&#039;t be personally acquainted with all her constituents. Maybe it wouldn&#039;t hurt if she knew how to gauge public opinion a little better. Or at least had a bit more regard for it. It is, after all, representative democracy that she is hoping lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add just one ancillary note to Chris&#8217;s ably (and colorfully) made points. </p>
<p>Palin&#8217;s remark that she didn’t need focus groups because she knew those voters, and &#8220;their families, tooâ€  (gotta get &#8220;family&#8221; in there whenever possible!) is worse than irrelevant. It undercuts the argument for her candidacy. As the nation&#8217;s no. 2 exec she won&#8217;t be personally acquainted with all her constituents. Maybe it wouldn&#8217;t hurt if she knew how to gauge public opinion a little better. Or at least had a bit more regard for it. It is, after all, representative democracy that she is hoping lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Seavey</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/05/the-unpersuaded/comment-page-1/#comment-18640</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been around, so it&#039;s not my doing -- and was preceded, I think, by &quot;Obamacans&quot; for Obama-Republicans, a slightly different meaning. 

Tomorrow, though, I will address the McCainotista phenomenon, which may be more important than the Palineoconservatives. (Carry on without me until then.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been around, so it&#8217;s not my doing &#8212; and was preceded, I think, by &#8220;Obamacans&#8221; for Obama-Republicans, a slightly different meaning. </p>
<p>Tomorrow, though, I will address the McCainotista phenomenon, which may be more important than the Palineoconservatives. (Carry on without me until then.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ro</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/05/the-unpersuaded/comment-page-1/#comment-18639</link>
		<dc:creator>Ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Obamacons&quot; I dig that. I think I&#039;ll borrow that word from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Obamacons&#8221; I dig that. I think I&#8217;ll borrow that word from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Seavey</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/05/the-unpersuaded/comment-page-1/#comment-18637</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for weighing in!  I see Jacob has responded on his site and thinks I&#039;m fairly on target on the war analysis in his case: 

http://jacobtlevy.blogspot.com/2008/09/being-put-on-couch-my-friend-todd.html

Let me add that if I say &quot;war guilt,&quot; I don&#039;t mean it quite the accusatory way a dove would, since I was hopeful Iraq would go well myself and was pretty approving of how the earlier Afghanistan venture was handled, especially its early waiting/ultimatum period during which the Taliban could have coughed up al Qaeda members.  On Iraq, I fell back on the &quot;When in doubt, don&#039;t go&quot; position but was enthusiastic during the &quot;democracy, whiskey, sexy&quot; phase and still resist drawing rigid Ron Paul-like anti-interventionist conclusions.

(And I may yet win a bet next year with Chris about outcomes in both Afghanistan and Iraq.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for weighing in!  I see Jacob has responded on his site and thinks I&#8217;m fairly on target on the war analysis in his case: </p>
<p><a href="http://jacobtlevy.blogspot.com/2008/09/being-put-on-couch-my-friend-todd.html" rel="nofollow">http://jacobtlevy.blogspot.com/2008/09/being-put-on-couch-my-friend-todd.html</a></p>
<p>Let me add that if I say &#8220;war guilt,&#8221; I don&#8217;t mean it quite the accusatory way a dove would, since I was hopeful Iraq would go well myself and was pretty approving of how the earlier Afghanistan venture was handled, especially its early waiting/ultimatum period during which the Taliban could have coughed up al Qaeda members.  On Iraq, I fell back on the &#8220;When in doubt, don&#8217;t go&#8221; position but was enthusiastic during the &#8220;democracy, whiskey, sexy&#8221; phase and still resist drawing rigid Ron Paul-like anti-interventionist conclusions.</p>
<p>(And I may yet win a bet next year with Chris about outcomes in both Afghanistan and Iraq.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Welch</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/05/the-unpersuaded/comment-page-1/#comment-18633</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never supported the war. Never opposed it, either. 

I thought that Saddam Hussein probably had WMDs, and thought that the U.N. disarmament regime that he kicked out in &#039;98 was creating an untenable situation in which only the threat of force would convince France and Russia to allow in weapons inspectors.... But I didn&#039;t want Bush&#039;s bluff to be called. I held open the possibility (and in fact still do) that in the long historical sweep of things, removing one of the world&#039;s worst dictators and replacing him with a better system might be a net positive, regardless of the severe costs.

I&#039;m certainly not *proud* of that position, but I don&#039;t feel any &quot;guilt.&quot; At any rate, I&#039;m not pro-Obama by any stretch, don&#039;t know who I&#039;ll vote for, and my unwillingness to vote for McCain is almost entirely based on his expansive, unipolar, and muscular sense of foreign policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never supported the war. Never opposed it, either. </p>
<p>I thought that Saddam Hussein probably had WMDs, and thought that the U.N. disarmament regime that he kicked out in &#8216;98 was creating an untenable situation in which only the threat of force would convince France and Russia to allow in weapons inspectors&#8230;. But I didn&#8217;t want Bush&#8217;s bluff to be called. I held open the possibility (and in fact still do) that in the long historical sweep of things, removing one of the world&#8217;s worst dictators and replacing him with a better system might be a net positive, regardless of the severe costs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly not *proud* of that position, but I don&#8217;t feel any &#8220;guilt.&#8221; At any rate, I&#8217;m not pro-Obama by any stretch, don&#8217;t know who I&#8217;ll vote for, and my unwillingness to vote for McCain is almost entirely based on his expansive, unipolar, and muscular sense of foreign policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Seavey</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/09/05/the-unpersuaded/comment-page-1/#comment-18600</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s admirably cautious in some ways -- more like a journalist than a philosopher, which I suppose is a good thing -- but I assumed his &quot;warblogger&quot; posts of old (he may have coined the term), usually quick to sound supportive of InstaPundit and the like -- and critical of hasty exaggerations of civilian deaths and that sort of thing -- implied at least cautious pro-war sentiment, but I certainly don&#039;t want to oversimplify.  And like most of the Reason folk, he&#039;s been extremely skeptical of all things Bush in more recent years. 

A more obvious turnaround in the cases of McArdle and the almost schizophrenic Sullivan (who seems to have snapped around the time Bush/Rove decided to use the gay marriage issue and then started even finding stupid &quot;Bush is dumb&quot; jokes he&#039;d once denounced funny, etc.).  

Jacob was never fond of Bush but initially hoped Iraq would go well -- then again, he&#039;d like the &quot;federalist solution&quot; idea for Iraq, as did Biden of all people, come to think of it, so I do not doubt Jacob could write an essay-length defense of his internal consistency, with footnotes and stuff, as them Eastern elites are prone to do, even up in Montreal, which ain&#039;t in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s admirably cautious in some ways &#8212; more like a journalist than a philosopher, which I suppose is a good thing &#8212; but I assumed his &#8220;warblogger&#8221; posts of old (he may have coined the term), usually quick to sound supportive of InstaPundit and the like &#8212; and critical of hasty exaggerations of civilian deaths and that sort of thing &#8212; implied at least cautious pro-war sentiment, but I certainly don&#8217;t want to oversimplify.  And like most of the Reason folk, he&#8217;s been extremely skeptical of all things Bush in more recent years. </p>
<p>A more obvious turnaround in the cases of McArdle and the almost schizophrenic Sullivan (who seems to have snapped around the time Bush/Rove decided to use the gay marriage issue and then started even finding stupid &#8220;Bush is dumb&#8221; jokes he&#8217;d once denounced funny, etc.).  </p>
<p>Jacob was never fond of Bush but initially hoped Iraq would go well &#8212; then again, he&#8217;d like the &#8220;federalist solution&#8221; idea for Iraq, as did Biden of all people, come to think of it, so I do not doubt Jacob could write an essay-length defense of his internal consistency, with footnotes and stuff, as them Eastern elites are prone to do, even up in Montreal, which ain&#8217;t in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was Matt Welch such a hawk? I followed his stuff pretty closely in Canada&#039;s National Post before and at the start of the War, and if he was &quot;lukewarm&quot; to start with, I thought he turned cold on the idea pretty quickly, more so than Andrew Sullivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Matt Welch such a hawk? I followed his stuff pretty closely in Canada&#8217;s National Post before and at the start of the War, and if he was &#8220;lukewarm&#8221; to start with, I thought he turned cold on the idea pretty quickly, more so than Andrew Sullivan.</p>
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