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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles&#8221; and Time Travel</title>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/01/15/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-and-time-travel/comment-page-1/#comment-22307</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to let everyone know that you will be hearing  about Judgment Day in 2011, but the Judgment Day of the Bible occuring 5/21/2011.

2Pe 3:3  first, knowing this, that during the last days scoffers will come walking according to their own lusts, 
2Pe 3:4  and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For from which time the fathers fell asleep, all things remain so from the beginning of creation. 
2Pe 3:5  For this is hidden from them by their willing it so, that heavens were of old, and earth by water, and through water, having subsisted by the Word of God, 
2Pe 3:6  through which the world which then was, being flooded by water, perished. 
2Pe 3:7  But the heavens and the earth now, having been stored up by the same Word, are being kept for fire to a day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 
2Pe 3:8  But let not this one thing be hidden from you, beloved, that one day with the Lord is &quot;as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.&quot; Psa. 90:4 

For more information, please check familyradio.com under Literature &quot;Were almost there&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to let everyone know that you will be hearing  about Judgment Day in 2011, but the Judgment Day of the Bible occuring 5/21/2011.</p>
<p>2Pe 3:3  first, knowing this, that during the last days scoffers will come walking according to their own lusts,<br />
2Pe 3:4  and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For from which time the fathers fell asleep, all things remain so from the beginning of creation.<br />
2Pe 3:5  For this is hidden from them by their willing it so, that heavens were of old, and earth by water, and through water, having subsisted by the Word of God,<br />
2Pe 3:6  through which the world which then was, being flooded by water, perished.<br />
2Pe 3:7  But the heavens and the earth now, having been stored up by the same Word, are being kept for fire to a day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.<br />
2Pe 3:8  But let not this one thing be hidden from you, beloved, that one day with the Lord is &#8220;as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.&#8221; Psa. 90:4 </p>
<p>For more information, please check familyradio.com under Literature &#8220;Were almost there&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve posted a new entry about a related Terminator timeline thought: 

http://toddseavey.com/2008/08/08/terminator-update/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted a new entry about a related Terminator timeline thought: </p>
<p><a href="http://toddseavey.com/2008/08/08/terminator-update/" rel="nofollow">http://toddseavey.com/2008/08/08/terminator-update/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/01/15/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-and-time-travel/comment-page-1/#comment-11934</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1984 A.D. May 12, 1984 - Sarah Connor &amp; Kyle Reese. (T1)
1985 A.D. February 28th 1985 - John Connor is born

1992 A.D. - Sarah Connor; Pescadero Mental Institute.

1995 A.D. May 12, 1995 - John Connor 10 years old (Sarah Escapes) (T2)

1997 A.D. - (Attempt 1st &amp; 2nd) 2:14A.M. E-Time August 29, 1997 Judgment Day)
1997 A.D. â€“ Sara Connor Dies

1999 A.D. - John Connor 14 years old (Sarah Connor Chronicles) Sarah is alive            

2004 A.D.    July 24 2004 â€“ (T3) (Attempt 3) It Happens Judgment Day!

2007 A.D. - John Connor still 14 years old Jumps into time. (22 years)

2011 A.D. - Judgment Day!

2027 A.D. â€“ T-Cameron 

(T1)2029 A.D. - Kyle Reese to save Sarah Connor
                                    The Terminator -800 kill Sarah Connor (PT1)

(T2)2029 A.D. - Terminator -1000 to kill John
                                    Terminator -800 (CSM-101) save John (PT 2)

(T2)2032 A.D. - Terminator T-X to kill John
                                    Terminator -850 (CSM-101) save John (PT 3)
	
2032 A.D. Current Time Kills John Connor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1984 A.D. May 12, 1984 &#8211; Sarah Connor &amp; Kyle Reese. (T1)<br />
1985 A.D. February 28th 1985 &#8211; John Connor is born</p>
<p>1992 A.D. &#8211; Sarah Connor; Pescadero Mental Institute.</p>
<p>1995 A.D. May 12, 1995 &#8211; John Connor 10 years old (Sarah Escapes) (T2)</p>
<p>1997 A.D. &#8211; (Attempt 1st &amp; 2nd) 2:14A.M. E-Time August 29, 1997 Judgment Day)<br />
1997 A.D. â€“ Sara Connor Dies</p>
<p>1999 A.D. &#8211; John Connor 14 years old (Sarah Connor Chronicles) Sarah is alive            </p>
<p>2004 A.D.    July 24 2004 â€“ (T3) (Attempt 3) It Happens Judgment Day!</p>
<p>2007 A.D. &#8211; John Connor still 14 years old Jumps into time. (22 years)</p>
<p>2011 A.D. &#8211; Judgment Day!</p>
<p>2027 A.D. â€“ T-Cameron </p>
<p>(T1)2029 A.D. &#8211; Kyle Reese to save Sarah Connor<br />
                                    The Terminator -800 kill Sarah Connor (PT1)</p>
<p>(T2)2029 A.D. &#8211; Terminator -1000 to kill John<br />
                                    Terminator -800 (CSM-101) save John (PT 2)</p>
<p>(T2)2032 A.D. &#8211; Terminator T-X to kill John<br />
                                    Terminator -850 (CSM-101) save John (PT 3)</p>
<p>2032 A.D. Current Time Kills John Connor</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we just have to assume that the TV series is making a wholesale edit to the timeline, outside the time-travel mechanics of the story.  From the perspective of the TV series, T1 was 1984, but T2 was 1997 (rather than the original 1994), and so presumably all the other dates were similarly pushed forward a few years, so that the Judgment Day we saw in T3 is now scheduled for somewhere in the 2007-2011 range. Yeah, this negates any mention of dates in the movies, but there are already problems with anything that ties the movie dates down too much; notice for instance that T2 takes place in a 1994 where Russia/USSR is still seen as a major geopolitical threat, rather than what was actually the case in 1994.

The latest episode (&quot;The Devil&#039;s Hand&quot;) drove it home repeatedly, since there were repeated explicit references to the events of T2 taking place in 1997. Within the series, T2 happened in 1997, when John was 13, and from his POV 2 years have passed since.  This isn&#039;t a time-travel change, this is an editorial change</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we just have to assume that the TV series is making a wholesale edit to the timeline, outside the time-travel mechanics of the story.  From the perspective of the TV series, T1 was 1984, but T2 was 1997 (rather than the original 1994), and so presumably all the other dates were similarly pushed forward a few years, so that the Judgment Day we saw in T3 is now scheduled for somewhere in the 2007-2011 range. Yeah, this negates any mention of dates in the movies, but there are already problems with anything that ties the movie dates down too much; notice for instance that T2 takes place in a 1994 where Russia/USSR is still seen as a major geopolitical threat, rather than what was actually the case in 1994.</p>
<p>The latest episode (&#8220;The Devil&#8217;s Hand&#8221;) drove it home repeatedly, since there were repeated explicit references to the events of T2 taking place in 1997. Within the series, T2 happened in 1997, when John was 13, and from his POV 2 years have passed since.  This isn&#8217;t a time-travel change, this is an editorial change</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Seavey</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/01/15/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-and-time-travel/comment-page-1/#comment-11814</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years of DC Comics reading have led me to the conclusion that this attitude leads to the least heartbreak, anyway.

(At least rampant time travel means the possibility that many things of which we and the characters are not even aware have been subtly changed, including perhaps the presence of cancer-causing particles, that would if known make sense of things, lazy as that sounds -- just as Star Trek could make all sorts of excuses using their &quot;temporal cold war&quot; if they really wanted to [and weren&#039;t simply rebooting the franchise].)

The biggest non-time-travel-related screw-up in the whole Terminator franchise, though, remains the opening narration of T3 in which John thinks the attack in T2 happened when he was thirteen, though he was actually only ten then, since the movie took place around 1994, not in the year of its release, 1991 (and 1991 would have made him three years younger, not older, so I really don&#039;t know where they got thirteen).

If we can let that slide as a mistake on John&#039;s part, I suppose we can also accept randomly-varying cancer rates in different timelines.  Not that I want to sound indifferent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years of DC Comics reading have led me to the conclusion that this attitude leads to the least heartbreak, anyway.</p>
<p>(At least rampant time travel means the possibility that many things of which we and the characters are not even aware have been subtly changed, including perhaps the presence of cancer-causing particles, that would if known make sense of things, lazy as that sounds &#8212; just as Star Trek could make all sorts of excuses using their &#8220;temporal cold war&#8221; if they really wanted to [and weren't simply rebooting the franchise].)</p>
<p>The biggest non-time-travel-related screw-up in the whole Terminator franchise, though, remains the opening narration of T3 in which John thinks the attack in T2 happened when he was thirteen, though he was actually only ten then, since the movie took place around 1994, not in the year of its release, 1991 (and 1991 would have made him three years younger, not older, so I really don&#8217;t know where they got thirteen).</p>
<p>If we can let that slide as a mistake on John&#8217;s part, I suppose we can also accept randomly-varying cancer rates in different timelines.  Not that I want to sound indifferent.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(My own reply was written before your reply Todd.) So basically we just have to &quot;go with it&quot; and trust that it sorts itself all out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(My own reply was written before your reply Todd.) So basically we just have to &#8220;go with it&#8221; and trust that it sorts itself all out.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do realize that the TV series says she &quot;dies&quot; in 2005.  But how does that change what I said above?

Todd, you explain the &quot;time traveling doctors&quot; but wouldn&#039;t you think Sarah would know something about that at some point between 1995 and 1997?

I do have one other explanation...she never REALLY dies as explained in T3 (fakes her own death) as a cover up as she goes into hiding maybe??  But then she and John would kind of know about that one too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do realize that the TV series says she &#8220;dies&#8221; in 2005.  But how does that change what I said above?</p>
<p>Todd, you explain the &#8220;time traveling doctors&#8221; but wouldn&#8217;t you think Sarah would know something about that at some point between 1995 and 1997?</p>
<p>I do have one other explanation&#8230;she never REALLY dies as explained in T3 (fakes her own death) as a cover up as she goes into hiding maybe??  But then she and John would kind of know about that one too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Seavey</title>
		<link>http://toddseavey.com/2008/01/15/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-and-time-travel/comment-page-1/#comment-11811</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For details like that, annoying though the errors may be, I think we may just have to invoke the &quot;random temporal displacement of cancer-causing particles in the life-histories of eventual time travelers&quot; theory -- and then not look too closely at the results.

Again, I expect they&#039;ll rarely mention the 90s again: our heroes are in the present now, where it&#039;s most convenient for the writers to have them, and it&#039;ll probably just be &quot;present-vs.-future,&quot; broadly speaking, from here on out.

Aesthetically, Terminator requires robot assassins in the present and a wasteland in the future, and the precise year that = the present is probably secondary in the writers&#039; minds (though they haven&#039;t been as cavalier as they could be, happily -- strictly speaking, they could just have the present-day characters cause drastic random changes in history by accidentally blowing up a time machine or something, acquire a surefire cancer treatment, completely destroy SkyNet in the present [erasing the familiar future], and move on to stories about a cybernetic teenage John Connor fighting Venusians and international drug gangs, if they really wanted to).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For details like that, annoying though the errors may be, I think we may just have to invoke the &#8220;random temporal displacement of cancer-causing particles in the life-histories of eventual time travelers&#8221; theory &#8212; and then not look too closely at the results.</p>
<p>Again, I expect they&#8217;ll rarely mention the 90s again: our heroes are in the present now, where it&#8217;s most convenient for the writers to have them, and it&#8217;ll probably just be &#8220;present-vs.-future,&#8221; broadly speaking, from here on out.</p>
<p>Aesthetically, Terminator requires robot assassins in the present and a wasteland in the future, and the precise year that = the present is probably secondary in the writers&#8217; minds (though they haven&#8217;t been as cavalier as they could be, happily &#8212; strictly speaking, they could just have the present-day characters cause drastic random changes in history by accidentally blowing up a time machine or something, acquire a surefire cancer treatment, completely destroy SkyNet in the present [erasing the familiar future], and move on to stories about a cybernetic teenage John Connor fighting Venusians and international drug gangs, if they really wanted to).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with Sarah&#039;s cancer is that (presumably) she never travels in time until 1999 (to 2007.)  Then why didn&#039;t she still develop the cancer and die in 1997 like T3 explains?  Her timeline never changes until 1999, two years after she is supposed to have died.or did it?  The TV series is going to have to explain this at some point.  Her doctor&#039;s visit tells that she doesn’t have cancer at all, but two years after her &quot;death&quot;??  That rules out the time travel from &#039;99 to &#039;07 as the &quot;cure.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with Sarah&#8217;s cancer is that (presumably) she never travels in time until 1999 (to 2007.)  Then why didn&#8217;t she still develop the cancer and die in 1997 like T3 explains?  Her timeline never changes until 1999, two years after she is supposed to have died.or did it?  The TV series is going to have to explain this at some point.  Her doctor&#8217;s visit tells that she doesn’t have cancer at all, but two years after her &#8220;death&#8221;??  That rules out the time travel from &#8216;99 to &#8216;07 as the &#8220;cure.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarahs cancer may have been due to something she was exposed with, that never happened since she vanished for those years. So cancer may be off the cards now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarahs cancer may have been due to something she was exposed with, that never happened since she vanished for those years. So cancer may be off the cards now.</p>
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