Comments on: DEBATE AT LOLITA BAR: “Does the Beauty Industry Oppress Women?” http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/ Conservatism for punks. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:49:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.9 by: Brain http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-314 Thu, 03 May 2007 20:32:37 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-314 There was arm wrestling after the <a href="http://toddseavey.com/2007/03/07/debate-at-lolita-bar-discussion-of-radicals-for-capitalism/" rel="nofollow">History of Libertarianism</a> presentation too. I'm all for physical combat to determine justice and truth. There was arm wrestling after the History of Libertarianism presentation too. I’m all for physical combat to determine justice and truth.

]]> by: Todd Seavey http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-311 Thu, 03 May 2007 17:57:36 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-311 I mention Carrie only by way of cameo/plug/recap, not to undermine. Congratulations to Mr. Star. I mention Carrie only by way of cameo/plug/recap, not to undermine. Congratulations to Mr. Star.

]]> by: Charles Star http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-310 Thu, 03 May 2007 15:30:24 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-310 Is that the sportsmanlike way a libertarian takes defeat? Does he seek solace in the idea that the crowd was swayed by unfair topic expansion by familial legerdemain? I think I know who needs to buck up. Thanks for having me. Is that the sportsmanlike way a libertarian takes defeat? Does he seek solace in the idea that the crowd was swayed by unfair topic expansion by familial legerdemain?

I think I know who needs to buck up.

Thanks for having me.

]]> by: Todd Seavey http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-307 Thu, 03 May 2007 14:40:04 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-307 Oh, and I should note that Jill's fella, DC Comics editor Scott Nybakken, subsequently defeated Jen in arm wrestling, and what could be more chivalrous than that? That's a good boyfriend. Oh, and I should note that Jill’s fella, DC Comics editor Scott Nybakken, subsequently defeated Jen in arm wrestling, and what could be more chivalrous than that? That’s a good boyfriend.

]]> by: Todd Seavey http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-306 Thu, 03 May 2007 14:25:23 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-306 Over forty attended, the puppeteers went all out with prop comedy and some melodramatic and villain-centered plotting, both debaters were funny and rational, and a good time was had by all -- except the beauty industry, which was deemed oppressive by a narrow vote of 21-19, partly due to some broader anti-commerce questions raised by audience members such as debater Charles Star's wife Carrie McLaren, editor of the anti-advertising magazine _Stay Free_ -- though Jen Dziura made a a strong case that people who feel oppressed by mere ads -- or any other part of civic discourse -- need to "buck up." ACSH brochures about why cosmetics should not be considered a health hazard were distributed by the host free of charge, and alcohol was consumed. After the debate, Jen Dziura (her strength perhaps enhanced Hulkwise by the sting of her side of the debate question being voted down) defeated her _previous_ debate opponent, Jill "Red Stapler" Friedman (who has posted several responses in my recent "Aborting Feminism" blog entry), in impromptu arm wrestling, which was an unexpected bonus. Over forty attended, the puppeteers went all out with prop comedy and some melodramatic and villain-centered plotting, both debaters were funny and rational, and a good time was had by all — except the beauty industry, which was deemed oppressive by a narrow vote of 21-19, partly due to some broader anti-commerce questions raised by audience members such as debater Charles Star’s wife Carrie McLaren, editor of the anti-advertising magazine _Stay Free_ — though Jen Dziura made a a strong case that people who feel oppressed by mere ads — or any other part of civic discourse — need to “buck up.” ACSH brochures about why cosmetics should not be considered a health hazard were distributed by the host free of charge, and alcohol was consumed.

After the debate, Jen Dziura (her strength perhaps enhanced Hulkwise by the sting of her side of the debate question being voted down) defeated her _previous_ debate opponent, Jill “Red Stapler” Friedman (who has posted several responses in my recent “Aborting Feminism” blog entry), in impromptu arm wrestling, which was an unexpected bonus.

]]> by: Brain http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-304 Thu, 03 May 2007 13:27:18 +0000 http://toddseavey.com/2007/05/01/debate-at-lolita-bar-does-the-beauty-industry-oppress-women/#comment-304 I'm sorry I missed it. How was the debate? I’m sorry I missed it. How was the debate?

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